masterstrack.com

The No. 1 site for masters track discussions

Login | Register

Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 

Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:13 am

Offline
Junior Masters Athlete
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:01 am
Posts: 1

This event should be a good one! (also it's close to Orono so you can double up on national championships :)


here's a link to the event 2007canadianmasters.ca

here's the brochure http://anb.ca/sjtc/2007canadianmasters/ ... le%20b.pdf



Top Top
  Profile

Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:04 am

 
Offline
Journeyman Masters Athlete
Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:20 am
Posts: 39
Location: rochester, n.y. area

If I can swing the time off from work, I'm looking forward to doing both the Canadian and American meets. It'll make a great vacation for my family, and having competed at the CM Champs before, I can recommend their meet organization and their hospitality to everyone.

Bill Pontius



Top Top
  Profile

Wed May 02, 2007 6:29 am


Hello "Cousins",

Sounds good. BUT.... I made representations to the organisers of both the Canadian and the US championships to be allowed to compete as "Open" in their summer 2007 T&F championships.

I say "allowed" because I declared up front that British Masters Athletics Federation (BMAF) Chairman Winston Thomas had disqualified me "from all masters competitions under the auspice of BMAF, both domestically and internationally" for one year ending 16 January 2008.

Back in March both the Canadian and the American masters organisations promised me an answer. Now we are at 2 May and neither the Canadians nor the Americans have responded.

I do not like that. First, my enquiry was serious. Second, as a Brit I expect my fellow Anglo-Saxon "cousins" (d'accord, je sais) to be polite and at least respond. Third, I have had enough of unpleasant masters athletics officials who treat me like dirt. Fourth, I regard myself as the plaintiff - the injured party - in this dispute with the BMAF. There is no reason to believe BMAF Chairman Winston Thomas' word over mine, or to regard me as anything but an potential asset at your masters athletics meetings.

I would appreciate your comments..

Edited by AT: If this sorts itself out satisfactorily, I will be pleased to edit/change/delete most of this post.



Top Top
 

Wed May 02, 2007 11:00 pm

Offline
Master Masters Athlete
User avatar
Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:01 pm
Posts: 250
Location: Chico, CA

Anthony Treacher should be allowed to compete in both meets. Masters track and field is about competition— not personal politics. I don't fully understand the particulars of Mr. Treacher's disagreement with his organization. However, he clearly did not violate any rules of competition. He merely pissed off the powers that be in England. Americans had similar problems with the English ruling classes centuries ago.

Tom Fahey m59 thrower



Top Top
  Profile

Mon May 07, 2007 5:21 am


Hello again "Cousins",

To be more precise about those Canadian and American officials who do not have the manners to respond to a well-meant enquiry. For the record:

Canadian official back in 10 February - "If you would be so good as to give me a little time, I will bring your situation to the attention of the executive of the Canadian Masters Athletic Association (CMAA), which meets on February 22, 2007. I understand what you have said about your "ban" by the BMAF, and I realize that, by its terms, it doesn't affect Canada, but I would like to check elsewhere, to see if it still has any affect on what we should do."
I thought he sounded sympathetic but he has not responded.

American official (very high up) on 28 March - "I'll have an answer by mid April."
That also raised my hopes. We are now at 7 May but he has not responded either.

I am not out to make trouble. I just want to run and jump. And this may still be just a misunderstanding. But time is passing. I do feel that your officials should at least respond to enquiries from prospective foreign guests.

Anthony Treacher
M65



Top Top
 

Fri May 11, 2007 9:43 pm

 
Offline
Junior Masters Athlete
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:08 pm
Posts: 9
Location: Austin, TX, USA

You are correct, officials should respond. I got a response to a protest about 5 months after the protest. Some officials have a huge amount of integrity, while others have none. There's always a few bad apples . . .

Regarding your request, the USATF rulebooks say:

Article 1, Section 1, Rule 1
1. (b) The Masters T&F Championships are open to all member athletes of USATF or of other IAAF member federations.
2. Non-resident alien athletes, unless otherwise provided in these rules, may compete as invited guests only on a reciprocal basis.

So, #1 doesn't say you have to be member "in good standing", just a member. Now, regarding #2, how are foreigners handled in Britain?

_________________
Jeff Brower



Top Top
  Profile WWW

Mon May 14, 2007 4:35 am


Hello Cousins,

I have today received the following personal e-mail

Quote:
"Hello/ bonjour :)

I do not work or am I affiliated with Canadian masters…… I’m working with the local organizing for the championships .. we do hope that you will attend our meet but I cannot comment on your situation.. but I wanted to wish you the best luck and we hope to see you in Saint John NEW BRUNSWICK.

For more information on the meet you can visit our website or contact the meet director Bill MacMackin SaintJohnTrack@Yahoo.ca

Our website is www.2007CanadianMasters.ca

All the best"


What nice people! I must get to the 2007 Canadian Masters Track & Field Championships at all costs.

Anthony Treacher
M65 British Athlete



Top Top
 

Tue May 15, 2007 9:35 am


Hello Cousins,

Or maybe not so nice:

Quote:
Mr. Treacher,

We have been instructed by officials of the Canadian Masters Athletic Association to deny your registration for our championships being held in Saint John this July.

Your registration will be cancelled and charges to your credit card reversed. ......

Bill MacMackin
Saint John Track Club


Well, the Canadian Masters could have informed me politely - as they promised - before I registered, couldn't they?

Just as well I was cautious enough to avoid this demeaning procedure with the Americans.

Anthony Treacher
M65 British Athlete (So long. Maybe wiser to stay at home and watch TV)



Top Top
 

Wed May 16, 2007 11:06 am


Cousins,

This is not a provocation. I am very disappointed in the Canadians. I was looking forward to Saint John. We have been to Canada before. Canada is interesting as “America-Lite”. It is a small country with a large area, a social conscience and international role-model aspirations. In that way, it is similar to my Sweden - food for thought.

I am a British national and I even believe in national entries and competing in the British colours. However, I am also doubly eligible to compete as a bona fide member of a British club and also of a Swedish club. That is not the point. The point is that there was nothing in my conduct at the 2006 World Masters Indoors Linz to justify suspending me from BMAF and WMA-affiliated athletics competition for 12 months.

The same unfortunately cannot be said of my BMAF British Team Manager. He invaded the competition area at Linz and broke the rules. He urged me and his own GBR M65 4x200m relay team to cheat. Obviously, he should have been suspended, not me. Instead the BMAF President and the BMAF Chairman, who is simultaneously the WMA Secretary, protect him. The BMAF-WMA Linz Scandal stinks. It now stinks all the way from Great Britain to Canada.

All this is not entirely the fault of you Canadians. Like other international masters officers you helplessly join the ranks of the incidental victims of the ineptitude of the BMAF Chairman-WMA Secretary. But still, you Canadian Masters officers have not treated me well.

I believe and want to believe that your sympathetic local Saint John organiser acted in good faith in encouraging me to register. It is his prestige-bound, at kindest bureaucratic, Canadian Masters top officials who are at fault. The rot obviously starts at the top BMAF-WMA level. High-up national officials then play follow-my-leader like non-thinking sheep. It is also a pity that our officers so obviously relish a juicy suspension and the opportunity to throw their weight about - clearly an attractive fringe benefit for these long-suffering, unpaid, volunteers.

I hope that masters athletics officers now understand that the times they are a changing. The Internet means that they cannot bully, cover-up and expect to get away with it any more.

As ever, I am open to dialogue and most of all a civilized resolution of the BMAF-WMA Linz Scandal. I humbly tried my best from the very start in March 2006. Now someone else should make an equivalent effort.

Anthony Treacher
M65 British Athlete



Top Top
 

Thu May 31, 2007 7:52 am


Cousins,

USATF and CMAA officers have made formal statements that Anthony Treacher is not eligible by IAAF rules to compete in the US and Canadian masters championships.

1. Statements such as "Mr. Treacher is suspended by his federation" and "Anthony Treacher is a British citizen who was banned from competition" are inaccurate and misleading.

Anthony Treacher is not suspended by his federation or any athletics body. According to the British Masters Athletics Federation (BMAF) Anthony Treacher is solely "disqualified from all masters competitions under the auspices of BMAF, both domestically and internationally".

2. The BMAF is NOT the IAAF-recognised national federation for a UK citizen. The IAAF-recognised national federation for a UK citizen is UK Athletics (UKA). Anthony Treacher is a member of a UKA-affiliated club. The IAAF-recognised national federation for a resident of Sweden is the Swedish Athletics Association. Anthony Treacher is a member of a Swedish Athletics Association-affiliated club. During 2007 - since his BMAF disqualification - Anthony Treacher has formally competed under IAAF rules, and will compete under IAAF rules, in Sweden and the UK.

The decisions of the American and Canadian officials would therefore appear based on subjective considerations other than the IAAF rules.

Is unfortunate that the BMAF Chairman, who is also the WMA Secretary, allows the USATF and CMAA officers to persist in their misconception.

Anthony Treacher

I have recently posted similar comments on my eligibility to compete in the US and Canada, notably at the end of: http://masterstrack.com/blog/001486.html#more
Quote:
USATF officials: Had no choice but to bar athlete

My comment starts
Quote:
The USATF in fact had every reason to ACCEPT athlete



Top Top
 

Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:03 am

 

Cousins,

For a Canadian female coach's attitude to us masters athletes, check out the British Athletics Weekly journal forum http://www.athletics-weekly.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1 Topic "M65 sprinter banned for speaking out".

Ignore my boring stuff. The rest is well worth your trouble.

Anthony Treacher



Top Top
 

Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:05 am

 

Cousins,

As reported on this forum, USATF and CMAA officers have made formal statements that Anthony Treacher is not eligible by IAAF rules to compete in the US and Canadian masters championships.

My own masters federation, BMAF, has now even followed this up by vindictively threatening me with further disciplinary measures for trying to compete and competing in the UK, my home country. I therefore requested the national governing body for British athletics, UK Athletics (UKA), for a ruling on my eligibility to compete in Open competitions under UKA and IAAF rules. UKA replied immediately as follows:

Quote:
Dear Mr Treacher

I am able to confirm that any action taken by the British Masters'
Federation does not affect your status or qualification to compete in
events held under UK Athletics Rules.

I can't be quite as definite in my interpretation of your situation in
so far as IAAF rules are concerned but my thoughts - confirmed by
colleagues - are that as you are eligible to compete under UKA rules and
that your national governing body has not taken any action against you
or imposed any sanctions, then you will be able to compete in open
competition held under IAAF rules.

Please let me know if you require any further clarification on this
issue.

John

John Temperton
Athletics Services Manager
UK Athletics Ltd


So the CMAA and USATF officers had no formal grounds to deny me entry to their championships.

Anthony



Top Top
 

Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:08 am


And Anthony was eligible to compete in the USA (and presumably Canada too)

In a long overdue 180 degree U-turn on his May 28 2007 pronouncement in http://masterstrack.com/blog/001486.html "USATF officials: had no choice but to bar athlete"
USATF President Bill Roe sent me the following e-mail on 8 August 2007:

Quote:
Mr. Treacher,

As USATF's sometimes-designated subversive radical, we would be quite
the pair. We could probably sell tickets to such a meeting!

We have entered in the sometimes-incomprehensible realm of alphabet
soup, intertwined relationships, and unclear jurisdictions. I would
ask that anyone with the knowledge (and perhaps a document reference
to back it up) to tell this group whether there is any relationship
between BMAF-UKA, or similarly between WMA and IAAF, which might say
"we will respect each other's suspensions," and whether doing so is
automatic or requires a hearing. Also, whether as a WMA member for
the USA, we are obligated under WMA rules to recognize suspensions by
other WMA-member "federations" -- in this case, the BMAF -- for
domestic masters competitions in the USA.

Comfortably assured that there is no reciprocity, and that BMAF's
action is a single, unrelated action not upheld by any other
organization, I will write a follow-up note. Mr. Snyder and Mr.
Hersh are on their own!

Bill Roe
tracknet@mac.com

The above was welcome. But the US and Canadian masters athletics officers have caused me some considerable trouble. Maybe they will now have the guts to apologise to me on this forum? OK, sorry. That is obviously expecting too much…..

Perhaps instead the Americans and Canadians will now argue that they were misinformed? Although the BMAF documents stated quite explicitly that my disqualification applied to competitions under the auspices of BMAF and that applied solely to entries to BMAF-WMA-EVAA competitions.

Question is who then deliberately misled the gullible Americans and Canadians into believing Anthony Treacher was suspended by his national body? Was it the BMAF - who Anthony has complained about? Or was it the WMA - who Anthony has complained about? Contact either and the same person will answer the phone - Winston Thomas, BMAF Chairman and WMA Secretary.

Oh, not exactly. In the case of the WMA it may even have been a US and Canadian meeting of the minds with that ********* ****** from the WMA Laws and Legislation Committee. You know, the ***** I complained about for telling me "Also accept the fact that not everybody may be perfect, or as perfect as you think you are". Yes. That ****** could well have been behind it all. Confirmation anyone?

Anthony Treacher
M65 British Athlete and BMAF-designated Asshole

PS *** marks the spot edited out by AT, who doesn't want to end up in jail.



Top Top
 

Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:30 am


This topic, unfortunately, came to be dominated by my story and my name sticks out there as the last poster like a sore thumb.

I feel bad about this. I am sure the Saint John championships were a lot of fun and deserve better. Can't someone now come in and post something nice here about the Saint John championships so that my name disappears? Just anything, you know - highlights of the meeting, lobsters, fly-fishing, anything....



Top Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Moderators: Jess, trackinfo, Ken Stone, Larry Barnum, Quick Silver, runfast70


Search for:
Jump to:  
cron