masterstrack.com

The No. 1 site for masters track discussions

Login | Register

Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:27 am


Assume that a national relay team - the GBR M65 4x200m relay team at the World Masters Indoors Linz 2006 for instance - has been detailed on the Final Call Room List. The Call Room officials have escorted the relay team from the Call Room onto the competition area.

May the national team leader then enter the competition area and attempt to substitute with a runner who is not on the Final Call Room List?

The context is the item posted January 13, 2007:
http://www.masterstrack.com/news2007/treacher.html


Last edited by Anthony Treacher on Wed May 23, 2007 12:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.


Top Top
 

Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:03 am


On 6 April 2007 I receive the following response from a regional official:

"I have been in contact with the person who was the Call Room Manager at the XXXXX Championships for their thoughts on the matter.

The gist of their reply was that it was a matter for the Call Room Referee or the Track Referee at the meeting to decide on anything that arose. This ties in with IAAF Rule 125 which gives the Referees the authority to decide on any matter not covered by the rules & regulations.

So, in the absence of specific rules laid down by your federation, the procedures adopted become an operational matter under the control of the Call Room Referee and/or Track Referee at that particular meeting.

Perhaps the correct procedure at the time may have been to approach the Call Room Manager/Track Referee for a ruling on the matter.

I am sorry that I cannot provide the definitive answer that you were looking for, but it appears that there isn't one".

I sincerely thank my contributor for his trouble. Any other expert official opinions?

Anthony



Top Top
 

Tue May 22, 2007 4:26 am


On 17 May 2007 - after a delay of eight months - I finally received the following birthday present from the WMA:
Quote:
Mr. Treacher,

The WMA Stadia Committee studied this matter back when we first became aware of it. We came to certain conclusions that I was prepared to share with you as soon as I got your e-mail address. However, about that time, you took this matter into several other (more public) channels and we thought that you were no longer interested in our mundane factual conclusions.

So, to respond to your request below, here are those conclusions from our initial investigation and they are basically very few and very simple.

1. Per WMA rules, IAAF rules apply to the conduct of Relay events. This is because WMA has no official specific additions or exceptions.

2. From the facts that we are aware of, the procedures used to conduct the 4x200 Relay at the WMA Indoor Championships in Linz were not in compliance with IAAF rules.

3. At future WMA Championships, special care must be taken to insure that Relay procedures are carried out per IAAF rules.

4. WMA has no direct jurisdiction over interactions between member athletes and their Affiliate bodies.

nnnnnn
WMA VP-Stadia
Chair: Stadia Committee

This pathetic e-mail is actually a sensation - in particular Point 2 - for those affected by this matter. Unfortunately Point 2 still avoids the point as to whether or not the BMAF team leader broke the rules at Linz in entering the competition area and attempting to substitute with a runner who was not on the Final Call Room List.

The Linz, Austria organisers - who could resolve this final question - refuse to reply to me. That is unfortunate. Not only does it demonstrate lack of Zivilkurage. It is also grossly impolite to me, a former WMA fee-paying athlete and guest of the Austrians at Linz. It is unjust to me, as I cannot prove my case without their input. To be generous to the Austrians, I assume that the WMA Secretary, who is also the BMAF Chairman, has gagged them as he has gagged everyone else in this matter.

In the absence of further input I interpret Point 2 as vindicating me in my complaint against my BMAF Team leader for breaking the rules at Linz and in my assertion that I did not break any rules of competition at Linz.

I "go on" about this because the BMAF Chairman has consistently alleged wrongdoing by me during the competition at Linz. He has suspended me from BMAF-affiliated competition for one year with reference to Rules for Competition.

If I did nothing wrong at Linz, then my suspension should be rescinded. The person - the British Team Leader possibly - who did break the rules of competition at Linz should be disciplined.

Anthony Treacher
M65 British Athlete



Top Top
 

Wed May 23, 2007 12:07 pm


For those who are still interested in this WMA-BMAF Linz Scandal (maybe "Get a Life?"), anyway:

On 17 May I sent an e-mail reply to the "WMA VP-Stadia Chair: Stadia Committee" concerning his ambiguous e-mail above. I posed a number of questions and requested a response to clarify what the rules actually were at Linz, who broke them, etc.

Judging from my experience with the BMAF and the WMA with its BMAF Chairman-cum-WMA Secretary, I obviously cannot expect a response. I am only a BMAF and WMA fee-paying athlete. This scandal has been covered up for 14 months already. I will be 80 years-of-age in 144 months - I am acutely aware that my competition time is running out. So I will cut the cackle.

If I do not get a response to my 17 May e-mail within 2 weeks (that is Thursday 31 May 2007) I will post my questions to WMA VP-Stadia Chair: Stadia Committee" on this topic. I will also regretfully - I liked the Linz people - further take up the matter with the Linz organisers, gagged or not..

It just cannot be that my BMAF Team Leader or anyone is allowed to flout the normal rules - IAAF rules, "Linz rules", any rules - in this manner and get away with it.

I have from the very start in March 2006 advocated a discrete, off-line solution to this disgusting matter. Call me if you are interested, anyone.

Anthony Treacher
M65 British Athlete (and not particularly proud of the British part)



Top Top
 

Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:02 am


For those who are still interested in this WMA-BMAF Linz Scandal (maybe "Get a Life?"), anyway(2):

As expected, the WMA's Rex Harvey has not responded to my May 17 e-mail.

Accordingly I have today requested the British Athletics Weekly Forum readers to contact the British Team Manager and the Linz organisers directly - to ask them whether or not the British Team Manager had permission to enter the competition area in order to substitute a runner who was not on the Final Call Room List. Ref. http://www.athletics-weekly.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1, Post subject: "M65 sprinter banned for speaking out."

The responses of the British Team Manager and the Linz organisers should finally settle the question of culpability for what happened at Linz.

Anthony Treacher



Top Top
 

Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:16 am


E-mail 25 August 2008 from Rex Harvey, WMA VP-Stadia (my underline at end):

Quote:
"Anthony,

I appreciate your understanding. Applicable IAAF rules are:

170.16. Any four athletes from among those entered for the competition, whether for that or any other event, may be used in the composition of the relay team for any round. However, once a relay team has started in a competition, only two additional athletes may be used as substitutes in the composition of the team. If a team does not follow this Rule, it shall be disqualified.

170.17. The composition of a team and the order of running for a relay shall be officially declared no later than one hour before the published first call time for the first heat of each round of the competition. Further alterations must be verified by a medical officer appointed by the Organising Committee and may be made only until the final call time for the particular heat in which the team is competing. If a team does not follow this Rule, it shall be disqualified.

Rex Harvey"

Thank you Rex Harvey. This finally validates Anthony Treacher's original 2006 complaint against British Team Manager Maurice Doogan for putting the GBR M65 4x200m relay team at risk of disqualification. It was Anthony's subsequent public protests that the BMAF ignored his complaint against the British Team Manager that led to Anthony's 2007 suspension.

The British Masters Athletics Federation (BMAF) owes Anthony Treacher an apology.



Top Top
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Moderators: Jess, trackinfo, Ken Stone, Larry Barnum, Quick Silver, runfast70


Search for:
Jump to: