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Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:22 am

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I have questions about spikes and blocks? What is the difference in the needle and the pyramid and which spike size is used for which track surface? Who makes a good spike shoe? What shoe do you use on an indoor track? Which start block would be good to start out with as a newcomer? Do they supply start blocks at master's track events?

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Tony



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Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:04 pm

 
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Tony, 2 things I can answer. Every masters and all-comers meet I've attended has supplied start blocks. And I bought a pair of Vers-A-Blocks for my personal use during practice. They are great --very portable and have never slipped when I used them. You may want to consider buying a pair for practice (look on the internet for them).

As for indoor/outdoor shoes, I use the same shoe for both venues. Maybe someone with more experience has insight on that.



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Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:13 pm

 
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Thanks for the info on the Vers a blocks. Sounds like a great idea for training.

Tony



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Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:03 am

 
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I'm no expert on spikes, but most of the outdoor meet entry forms that I have seen specify that only quarter-inch pyramid spikes are allowed. I think the smaller needle spikes are for indoor tracks.

If you go to www.vsathletics.com, there is a Track Shoe Guide that explains the different types of racing flats and spikes, and what surfaces they are generally used on.



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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:50 pm

 
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Hey Kevin,

Thanks for the info. They do have some info and a good selection of track and field equipment at the website you gave me.

Thanks again,

Tony



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Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:11 am

 
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How imprtant are spikes anyway?

Let's say two sprinters have the identical times. You line both of them up for a 100m race. One is wearing spikes and the other is just in his Asics running shoes.

How much of an advantage is the guy with spikes going to have? Any?



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Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:30 am

 
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How important are spikes anyway?


I doubt that this is quantifiable. Differences in any particular race may outweigh any equipment advantage for two very similar athletes, but I bet you won't find many sprinters who wouldn't be upset if their spikes were lost in flight to a meet and they were forced to run in flats. There is noticeably better traction, I believe, with spikes.



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Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:11 pm

 
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Back in the day, I think spikes made a big difference on cinders and other slippery surfaces. On modern all-weather surfaces, I don't think there's really any difference unless the surface is very wet. BUT, racing flats that take spikes are much lighter than training shoes, and that makes a big difference in my opinion. If I'm doing 400m intervals at the track and switch from trainers to flats for the last couple of repeats, I generally run 1 to 2 seconds faster with the same effort.



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Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:50 pm

 
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I would be willing to guess spikes will decrease your time by 0.3 to 1.0+ seconds in a 100 meter race, depending on ability, track surface, weather, etc. If I got to a meet and didn't have spikes, I would beg, borrow, or steal to get a pair. I rarely run without spikes during the last two months of my season. Just my opinions.



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Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:30 am

 
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I like to train without spikes most of the season. I want to force myself to run hard and make times with out spikes. That way when I do run with spikes I am sure I will be faster. Believe it or not I like to train around a soccer field instead of on the track!

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Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:30 pm

 
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OK, I now know that spikes are going to give you an advantage over not having them.

Coach, you mentioned training on a soccer field so the track will be easier when you move to there. How much will your time improve on a track vs. a soccer field? About .5 seconds or so?



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Tue Sep 11, 2007 7:59 pm

 
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Well my methods might not be well received but I will talk about them. First let me give the reason for training on a soccer field. The first thing is the reduction in the pounding that your knees and back take over a season. The second reason is that your ankle strength increases because the surface is not always perfectly flat like on a track. The last thing is your body works much harder to reach the same times that you achieve easily on the track. The extra effort is a large benefit to you when you step on the track for a speed day.

I was not the first with this method of training. An old coach of mine taught me this when I move from high school to college If you check the NCAA II record books you will see that Alabama A&M one two women national titles and 25 straight conference championships over the years. The university also turned out several Olympians. I would say it works just fine.

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Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:02 am

 
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Yeah, I'd say they have a good thing going!

I train on grass as well. My legs and hips take a pounding if I'm on the track more than a 2x a week. I'll sometimes move over to the artificial turf on the football field.



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Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:08 pm

 
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It really helps with my training. Since the masters season is long it helps to keep me going.

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Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:43 pm

 
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Another advantage with spikes, besides the traction and the lighter weight is the lack of a fat heel. Training shoes all have a big fat heel. It makes it really hard to practice running on the ball of your foot. I have some good flats that i use now and then just to practice staying up on my foot rather than clomping along as I do in trainers. They should invent a good training shoe for sprinters, but that's another topic.

I know I am faster in spikes and when I bought true sprint spikes (without a small heel) I was even faster. It benefitted my stride mechanics.

But no one says you have to wear them so get a pair, try them and decide for yourself what works best for you.



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