No deluge of Daegu entries? Sign-up deadline extended a week
In a sign that entries aren’t flooding in, Daegu has pushed back its entry deadline for WMA indoor worlds by eight days — to Thursday, Feb. 2, 2017. Not a shock. Happens all of the time. So why don’t they just pick a drop-dead deadline to begin with, and not play this game? In any case, I take offense to this edict: “Qualification: men and women who were born on or before 19 March 1982 and who are physically fit.” So now we’re discriminating against athletes (like me) who aren’t physically fit? They should take the tack of the Senior Olympics: Join us from the rocking chair! If your competition plays a part in your decision to enter Daegu, here’s the list of entrants.
American entrants as of Jan. 25:
35-39 Men 60m
Durran Dunn United States of America 7.09
Michael Sullivan United States of America 7.67
40-44 Men 60m
Alfonso Peterson United States of America 7.02
40-44 Women 60m
Maurelhena Walles United States of America 8.50
45-49 Men 60m
Andre Baynes United States of America 7.90
Calvin Padgett United States of America 7.61
Mark Warren United States of America 7.70
45-49 Women 60m
LaDonna Gooden United States of America 8.51
Nedenia West United States of America 8.40
50-54 Men 60m
Clinton Aurelien United States of America 7.60
Cornell Fields United States of America 8.00
50-54 Women 60m
Colleen Barney United States of America 8.64
Linda Carty-Dumitrescu United States of America 9.10
55-59 Men 60m
David Brown United States of America NT
Robert Foster United States of America 7.96
Alvin Millerbis United States of America 8.29
55-59 Women 60m
Belinda McCoy United States of America 9.30
Sandra Triolo United States of America 8.70
Joy Upshaw United States of America 8.48
60-64 Men 60m
Stephen Gould United States of America 8.20
65-69 Men 60m
Charles Allie United States of America 8.11
Thierry Boucquey United States of America 8.59
William Collins United States of America 7.65
Charles Powell United States of America 8.30
Thaddeus Wilson United States of America 8.15
70-74 Women 60m
Marilyn Mitchell United States of America NT
75-79 Women 60m
Carolyn Langenwalter United States of America NT
80-84 Men 60m
Robert Cozens United States of America 9.80
Robert Lida United States of America 8.80
35-39 Men 200m
Durran Dunn United States of America 22.72
Tibita Kaneene United States of America 24.92
40-44 Men 200m
Antwon Dussett United States of America 22.39
Andrew Hogue United States of America 24.20
Alfonso Peterson United States of America 23.20
40-44 Women 200m
Maurelhena Walles United States of America 27.50
45-49 Men 200m
Andre Baynes United States of America 25.94
Neil Fitzgerald United States of America 24.00
Calvin Padgett United States of America 24.56
Mark Warren United States of America 25.00
45-49 Women 200m
LaDonna Gooden United States of America 28.70
Nedenia West United States of America 28.50
50-54 Men 200m
Clinton Aurelien United States of America 23.93
Damon Blakemore United States of America 24.97
Marcus W Shute United States of America 24.30
Robert Thomas United States of America 23.34
50-54 Women 200m
Colleen Barney United States of America 27.22
Linda Carty-Dumitrescu United States of America 30.90
55-59 Men 200m
David Brown United States of America NT
Robert Foster United States of America 26.04
William Yelverton United States of America 24.65
55-59 Women 200m
Belinda McCoy United States of America 32.90
Sandra Triolo United States of America 30.30
Joy Upshaw United States of America 27.51
60-64 Men 200m
Stephen Gould United States of America 26.80
Ben James United States of America 24.96
Jim Schoffman United States of America 27.42
65-69 Men 200m
Charles Allie United States of America 25.86
William Collins United States of America 24.94
Charles Powell United States of America 27.50
Thaddeus Wilson United States of America 27.00
70-74 Men 200m
Dennis Duffy United States of America 32.00
Noel Haynes United States of America 29.00
75-79 Men 200m
Blaine Lawson United States of America 39.00
75-79 Women 200m
Carolyn Langenwalter United States of America 46.00
Marie-Louise Michelsohn United States of America 37.12
80-84 Men 200m
Robert Cozens United States of America 31.20
Robert Lida United States of America 28.96
40-44 Men 400m
Antwon Dussett United States of America 49.39
Andrew Hogue United States of America 52.90
40-44 Women 400m
Maurelhena Walles United States of America 1:00.90
45-49 Men 400m
Andre Baynes United States of America 58.00
John Cormier United States of America 53.24
Neil Fitzgerald United States of America 53.00
45-49 Women 400m
LaDonna Gooden United States of America 1:04.50
50-54 Men 400m
Terry Parks United States of America 54.99
Marcus W Shute United States of America 54.00
Robert Thomas United States of America 53.00
50-54 Women 400m
Denise Chambers United States of America 1:15.83
Shemayne Williams United States of America 1:07.00
55-59 Men 400m
William Yelverton United States of America 55.22
55-59 Women 400m
Cheryl Bellaire United States of America 1:11.80
Lorraine Jasper United States of America 1:08.22
Belinda McCoy United States of America NT
Sandra Triolo United States of America 1:16.98
60-64 Men 400m
Anthony Baker United States of America 1:06.00
Ben James United States of America 57.40
Jim Schoffman United States of America 1:02.64
65-69 Men 400m
Charles Allie United States of America 58.96
William Collins United States of America 59.02
Charles Powell United States of America 1:02.00
65-69 Women 400m
Coreen Steinbach United States of America 1:13.50
70-74 Men 400m
Dennis Duffy United States of America 1:14.00
Noel Haynes United States of America 1:03.00
70-74 Women 400m
Kathleen Frable United States of America NT
75-79 Women 400m
Carolyn Langenwalter United States of America 2:05.00
Marie-Louise Michelsohn United States of America 1:20.16
80-84 Men 400m
Robert Cozens United States of America 1:13.40
Robert Lida United States of America 1:08.97
40-44 Men 800m
Andrew Hogue United States of America 2:01.00
Mark Williams United States of America 1:57.40
40-44 Women 800m
Latashia Key United States of America NT
45-49 Men 800m
Peter Brady United States of America 1:58.98
Neil Fitzgerald United States of America 1:59.00
50-54 Men 800m
Daniel Bergeson United States of America 2:12.34
William Newsham United States of America 2:30.96
55-59 Men 800m
Michael Berryman United States of America 2:26.00
55-59 Women 800m
Cheryl Bellaire United States of America 2:39.70
Lorraine Jasper United States of America 2:35.74
60-64 Men 800m
Jim Schoffman United States of America 2:29.20
65-69 Men 800m
Robert Weiner United States of America 3:40.00
65-69 Women 800m
Norma Hudnall United States of America 3:12.00
Kathryn Martin United States of America 2:45.00
Coreen Steinbach United States of America 2:53.20
70-74 Men 800m
Noel Haynes United States of America 2:30.00
Ronald Pate United States of America 2:37.43
Gary Patton United States of America 2:36.25
75-79 Women 800m
Carolyn Langenwalter United States of America NT
Marie-Louise Michelsohn United States of America 3:15.00
40-44 Men 1500m
Mark Williams United States of America 4:03.69
40-44 Women 1500m
Latashia Key United States of America NT
45-49 Men 1500m
Peter Brady United States of America 4:03.06
50-54 Men 1500m
Francis Burdett United States of America 4:28.87
William Newsham United States of America 4:52.40
55-59 Men 1500m
Michael Berryman United States of America 4:44.00
55-59 Women 1500m
Cheryl Bellaire United States of America 5:38.01
Lorraine Jasper United States of America 5:15.43
65-69 Men 1500m
Robert Weiner United States of America 7:27.00
65-69 Women 1500m
Norma Hudnall United States of America 6:31.00
Kathryn Martin United States of America 5:40.00
Mary Rosado United States of America 8:18.00
Coreen Steinbach United States of America 5:53.40
70-74 Men 1500m
Noel Haynes United States of America 5:12.00
Ronald Pate United States of America 5:35.89
Gary Patton United States of America 5:07.11
75-79 Women 1500m
Marie-Louise Michelsohn United States of America 6:45.00
40-44 Women 3000m
Latashia Key United States of America NT
50-54 Men 3000m
Francis Burdett United States of America 9:33.32
William Newsham United States of America 10:58.00
50-54 Women 3000m
Tina Klein United States of America 12:37.00
55-59 Women 3000m
Cheryl Bellaire United States of America 12:30.69
65-69 Men 3000m
Peter Mullin United States of America 11:15.00
Robert Weiner United States of America 15:57.00
65-69 Women 3000m
Norma Hudnall United States of America 13:57.00
Kathryn Martin United States of America 12:00.00
Coreen Steinbach United States of America 12:33.50
70-74 Men 3000m
Ronald Pate United States of America 11:54.38
Gary Patton United States of America 12:15.74
70-74 Women 3000m
Kathleen Frable United States of America NT
75-79 Women 3000m
Marie-Louise Michelsohn United States of America 13:45.00
35-39 Men 60m Hurdles
Tibita Kaneene United States of America 9.32
45-49 Men 60m Hurdles
Derek Pye United States of America 8.16
45-49 Women 60m Hurdles
LaDonna Gooden United States of America NT
50-54 Men 60m Hurdles
Damon Blakemore United States of America 8.98
55-59 Men 60m Hurdles
Eugene Anton United States of America NT
John Wu United States of America 9.77
55-59 Women 60m Hurdles
Joy Upshaw United States of America 9.71
65-69 Men 60m Hurdles
Thaddeus Wilson United States of America 9.25
40-44 Women 3000m Race Walk
Susan Randall United States of America 14:35.00
60-64 Men 3000m Race Walk
Scott McPherson United States of America 18:15.00
70-74 Men 3000m Race Walk
Norman Frable United States of America 17:40.00
70-74 Women 3000m Race Walk
Kathleen Frable United States of America NT
40-44 Women 10 km Race Walk
Susan Randall United States of America 53:52.00
60-64 Men 10 km Race Walk
Scott McPherson United States of America 1:07:00.00
70-74 Men 10 km Race Walk
Norman Frable United States of America 59:50.00
70-74 Women 10 km Race Walk
Kathleen Frable United States of America NT
40-44 Men 8 km Cross Country
Thomas Knowles United States of America 27:29.00
40-44 Women 8 km Cross Country
Latashia Key United States of America NT
50-54 Women 8 km Cross Country
Tina Klein United States of America 37:45.00
65-69 Men 8 km Cross Country
Robert Weiner United States of America 45:10.00
65-69 Women 8 km Cross Country
Kathryn Martin United States of America 35:00.00
70-74 Women 8 km Cross Country
Kathleen Frable United States of America NT
75-79 Men 8 km Cross Country
Blaine Lawson United States of America 49:00.00
75-79 Women 8 km Cross Country
Marie-Louise Michelsohn United States of America 40:00.00
50-54 Men Half Marathon
Francis Burdett United States of America 1:16:00.00
50-54 Women Half Marathon
Kelly Dworak United States of America 1:33:00.00
65-69 Men Half Marathon
Peter Mullin United States of America 1:26:40.00
65-69 Women Half Marathon
Kathryn Martin United States of America 1:35:00.00
50-54 Men High Jump
Karl Hawke United States of America NM
Terry Parks United States of America 1.75m
60-64 Men High Jump
Richard Watson United States of America 1.35m
70-74 Men High Jump
Norman Frable United States of America 1.30m
55-59 Men Pole Vault
Will Nesbitt United States of America 4.00m
60-64 Men Pole Vault
Kenneth St Cyr United States of America 2.70m
35-39 Men Long Jump
Michael Sullivan United States of America 6.64m
45-49 Men Long Jump
Mark Warren United States of America 5.20m
50-54 Men Long Jump
Cornell Fields United States of America 4.20m
55-59 Men Long Jump
William Long United States of America 5.85m
55-59 Women Long Jump
Joy Upshaw United States of America 4.92m
60-64 Men Long Jump
Stephen Gould United States of America 4.50m
65-69 Men Long Jump
Thaddeus Wilson United States of America 4.85m
65-69 Women Long Jump
Norma Hudnall United States of America 3.50m
85-89 Women Long Jump
Gloria Krug United States of America 1.35m
50-54 Men Triple Jump
Cornell Fields United States of America 9.20m
Karl Hawke United States of America NM
55-59 Women Triple Jump
Joy Upshaw United States of America 9.64m
65-69 Women Triple Jump
Norma Hudnall United States of America 5.60m
85-89 Women Triple Jump
Gloria Krug United States of America 3.52m
45-49 Men Shot Put
Andre Baynes United States of America NM
55-59 Women Shot Put
Katrina Geurkink United States of America 11.09m
Mary Wilkins United States of America 9.91m
65-69 Men Shot Put
Edward Hearn United States of America 12.98m
70-74 Men Shot Put
Jerry Bookin-Weiner United States of America 10.19m
William Harvey United States of America NM
George Mathews United States of America NM
85-89 Men Shot Put
Ray Feick United States of America 8.50m
85-89 Women Shot Put
Gloria Krug United States of America 6.68m
55-59 Women Weight Throw
Katrina Geurkink United States of America 11.21m
Mary Wilkins United States of America 11.43m
60-64 Men Weight Throw
Richard Watson United States of America 13.97m
70-74 Men Weight Throw
Jerry Bookin-Weiner United States of America 12.06m
Robert Cahners United States of America 17.00m
George Mathews United States of America NM
85-89 Men Weight Throw
Ray Feick United States of America 10.54m
85-89 Women Weight Throw
Gloria Krug United States of America 7.82m
35-39 Men Discus Throw
Michael Sullivan United States of America 27.27m
55-59 Women Discus Throw
Katrina Geurkink United States of America 29.54m
60-64 Men Discus Throw
Richard Watson United States of America 39.15m
70-74 Men Discus Throw
Jerry Bookin-Weiner United States of America 29.96m
William Harvey United States of America NM
85-89 Men Discus Throw
Ray Feick United States of America 24.50m
85-89 Women Discus Throw
Gloria Krug United States of America 15.29m
55-59 Women Hammer Throw
Katrina Geurkink United States of America 34.13m
Mary Wilkins United States of America 31.69m
60-64 Men Hammer Throw
Richard Watson United States of America 40.22m
70-74 Men Hammer Throw
Jerry Bookin-Weiner United States of America 33.92m
Robert Cahners United States of America 44.00m
George Mathews United States of America NM
85-89 Men Hammer Throw
Ray Feick United States of America 29.45m
85-89 Women Hammer Throw
Gloria Krug United States of America 20.07m
40-44 Men Javelin Throw
Andrew Hogue United States of America 43.00m
50-54 Men Javelin Throw
Stefan Petersson United States of America NM
55-59 Women Javelin Throw
Katrina Geurkink United States of America 20.42m
60-64 Men Javelin Throw
Richard Watson United States of America 38.41m
65-69 Men Javelin Throw
Edward Hearn United States of America 46.22m
85-89 Men Javelin Throw
Ray Feick United States of America 23.50m
85-89 Women Javelin Throw
Gloria Krug United States of America 12.95m
35-39 Men Pentathlon
Michael Sullivan United States of America 2,600
50-54 Men Pentathlon
Karl Hawke United States of America NM
Terry Parks United States of America NM
55-59 Men Pentathlon
John Wu United States of America 3,369
19 Responses
Ken, based on my cursory review, I would push the entry deadline back about a month. I looked at the 60 dash for W35 and found 52 entrants, which is not too bad. Further investigation, however, revealed that only 10 of these 52 women were from outside of Korea.
In addition, Ken, I found that of the 42 Korean women, only 3 had submitted a time; the rest were NT (no time). Of the 3 who had submitted a time, 2 must not be sprinters, as their times were 18.00 and 15.00, respectively. As you know from your math class, Ken, a time of 18.00 in the 60 is a mile pace of 8 minutes, 2.8 seconds.
How many entries for the USATF Masters indoors?
Deadline 1/26
602 people going to ABQ. About 15 more have signed up during the late period.
3667 going to Daegu. Appalling as it may seem, 2200 of them are Korean.
Wow, that seems like a very low number for Albuquerque. Only 600? Or is that average for an indoor national meet? Does anyone know?
The turnout is highly dependent on the location, not the facility. Landover, Maryland, got over 1000 in 2013, and it has a flat track (with acceptable spaces for the throws and jumps). It crushes other meets in part because of the “300-mile rule.”
Just think about the tens of millions of people who live within 300 miles of Landover, including men and women who reside in New York City, New Jersey, much of Pennsylvania, all of Delaware and Maryland, much of Virginia, a chunk of North Carolina, etc.
After Landover (twice) we have Boston. Albuquerque, even with its fast track, suffers because the great majority of entrants have to fly in. Just how many people does New Mexico have anyway? If Albuquerque ends up with under 650, however, it will be truly disappointing.
As far as Daegu, if only about 1467 non-Koreans are going, that is beyond appalling.
Just to add that the deadline for the World Masters Games in New Zealand was extended to 3 March, i.e. with more than a month:
http://www.worldmastersgames2017.co.nz/latest-news/blog/important-registration-close-information/
M 65, 60 m, Jongoua Kim, Korea, 7.52 = World Record
Is this on track with the 38-under-par 34 round of golf reportedly fired by the late North Korean despot Kim Jong Il? Or is Jongoua Kim the reincarnation of Kim Jong Il? Or is it real and I have to eat dog?
Peter [#5] is correct, location is important to meet attendance. I would like to attend the nationals more often but flying has gotten pretty expensive so I drive to most meets. I checked and the population of New Mexico is about 2.1 million unlike Daegu where that many people may live within walking distance.
You are correct, Stephan! That is a delicacy! Enjoy! Ha ha
Well, with the entry deadline for Daegu extended into February, our thoughts turn to Albuquerque. Anyone know what the final, final number of entrants is for that meet?
Regarding Albuquerque … besides the travel problems, I wonder if the altitude is something that keeps at least some people away. In my case, I’m a real lowlander and I cannot travel to Albuquerque or Denver without suffering from altitude sickness (nausea, vomiting, headache, breathing difficulties) unless I take Diamox, which makes it bearable. Then there would be the issue of whether the Diamox, which is a diuretic and works for altitude sickness by increasing the rate of breathing, would be considered to be a performance enhancer in this instance. I can’t be the only one out there with this excuse for staying away.
Tom, I just checked the WADA banned substance list, and yes, Diamox (also known as acetazolamide) is banned because as a diuretic, it can be used as a masking agent.
Too bad, because I heard others complain of altitude sickness in Albuquerque last year also.
Jerome (12) diuretics can be granted a TUE, particularly when used for proven hypertension. I’m not sure how USADA would look at this particular one used for altitude sickness.
This just in: Albuquerque has 1560 event entries. If there are 2.3 events per entrant, that means we have 678 people who entered the meet, down from about 1020 or so at Landover in 2013.
If someone has the exact number or a way to estimate the actual number of people who entered other than dividing by 2.3, please respond.
Pete, I came up with the same 1560 event entries but 625 unique names. Events per entrant is a hair under 2.5.
correction: 624 unique names…
Thanks. Using 2.3 per entrant used to work, but perhaps I see why it doesn’t work with a small turnout. In brief, a lot of people who were going to enter only one event did not enter ABQ, while, conversely, those who did enter were people who, on average, enter more events than we see when we have a regular or large turnout. Of course, that is all speculation.
I got out my calculator and found that our entrants this year entered, on average, 2.496 events. I will keep this in mind for future meets with very small turnouts. Conversely, when we have huge turnouts I might use 2.2 per person.
Well, that makes it precisely 2.5 per person, does it not?
624 x 2.5 = 1560
I went to ABQ the first time the National Masters was held there. For middle distance runners it can be tough because of the altitude. I swore that I would not return there for a meet as the altitude not only made me very slow it also made me ill.
I am not going to Korea either – it is a long and expensive trip, the hotels are expensive and I am still recovering physically and financially from the trip to Perth.
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