Nolan Shaheed debuts at 2K steeple with M60 American record
Nolan hurdles in his first steeple.
Pacing Nolan, Grace Padilla ran 6:53.91, just off Lisa Ryan’s W40 AR of 6:49.58.
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It is really a great Performance. Nolan it was my dream to run a Steeple. I have never done it. Thanks Nolan you did it for me.
Take care
Wonderful running, Nolan. But I expected nothing less from you.
Ken, your last sentence really caught my attention. You note that Christopher Williams, in M40, ran a legal 21.03 in the 200. What? Twenty years ago, our friend Bill Collins set the American M40 record by scorching a 21.86, and that has held up ever since. Now we have a 21.03? I will follow this very carefully to see whether it ever gets accepted.
Also in that last sentence, we see that Christopher Williams ran a legal 10.57. That breaks the 10.73 of our friend Aaron Thigpen in M40. Of course, Aaron also ran a legal 10.60 FAT at the Mt. San Antonio College (Mt. SAC) Relays, but he was not given that record. Either way, Christopher should now get the M40 record. I will follow this as well.
Just to follow up on my comment above, I decided to go to Andy Hecker’s Wikipedia listing. I found that Willie Gault, in 2005, ran a legal 21.80 FAT in a USATF championship (not nationals), 0.06 sec faster than the 21.86 by Bill Collins that stands as the record. Willie’s mark was never accepted.
But this is just quibbling. The 21.03 by Christopher Williams is truly extraordinary.
Nolan…..you are incredible.
Pete, the 200m that Willie ran had a wind gauge that the batteries had run down during the course of the meet–no wind reading, no record unfortunately. Chris actually ran like 20.88 at the Olympic training center at a meet a week ago. He thinks he can get the WR which he said is 20.64
Nolan you are amazing, I can’t wait to see what you can do once we get you a pair of perscription Oakleys.You da Man!
Nolan is a true Masters athlete. He is the representation of our aspect of the sport. No better individual have I ever met. Kudos to the man…
Doesn’t a record have to be set in a female only race. I’m referring to Grace, assuming she would have broken the record, I’m not sure it would have counted. I could be wrong, can someone update me on this? Is this just for road racing, or are records in mixed races acceptable in Master’s track? Or should they be, is it fair?
Nolan:
You are incredibly amazing!!
As a hurdler and frustrated steeplechaser (tried it once and found it 10 times more taxing than the 400m or 300m hurdles -those steeplechase ‘hurdles’ are totally unforgiving)-congrats on your 2000m steeple time. Almost 7 minutes: how many of us could run a 1500 (without barriers) anywhere near that time? Congrats again!!
Hoping to connect with you in Porto Allegre -Grant Lamothe
@ Matt B. (no. 8). A record by Grace Padilla in this race would definitely have counted (unless someone decided to throw it out for some other reason). It’s called the “masters exception” and is covered in the USATF rules. It’s 5:08 AM right now, and the USATF site is on the blink (under repair, I guess), and thus I can’t give you the reference.
In Section II Masters Athletics
320.8 A mixed event containing male and female participants is allowed. Masters records may be made in mixed age and/or mixed sex competitions.
It is great because we know in the world there are 2 women for 1 man. I think women 40 could compete easily with man 55/60
Thank you Peter. I know recently they made restrictions in road running for women’s records in mixed races. I found the rule and indeed it is permitted in Master competition. Of course there are so many other issues with record verification with these records.
“For all competitions held completely in the stadium, mixed events between male and female participants shall not normally be permitted. However, authorization for such mixed competition in field events and in races of 5000 meters or longer may be made for a competition by the Chair or designee of the appropriate sport committee.
NOTE: See Rule 320.8 for Masters exception.”
You’re certainly welcome, Matt. I was particularly struck by your words “…so many other issues with record verification…”
As a middle-distance fan, Matt, you are aware that Jearl Miles-Clark holds the American outdoor mark of 1:56.40 for the 800, open class. Is there any doubt in your mind that if some woman runs 1:56.39 in the upcoming Olympic Trials she will get the American record? No doubt in my mind.
And yet, over the last several years, USATF Masters has firmly established the principle that you can set a mark in our national championships and not get your record. Believe it or not, I think that policy hurts our attendance at nationals.
Also as a middle-distance fan, Matt, I know that you were very much impressed by the 4:44.81 that Sonja Friend-Uhl ran this winter for a world W40 indoor mark in the mile. I noticed that the world indoor masters marks were just updated (June 10); I am sure you are not surprised in the least that Sonja’s mark is not on the new list.
Nor should you be surprised that Sonja’s 4:44.81 did not make “pending American.”
Perhaps there really is a reason for the delay — maybe the track at Blacksburg (Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University) is short. But this was such a noteworthy record — first 40+ woman in history to go below 4:45 in the mile indoors; it would be nice to know the reason it didn’t make either the American or world list. Oh, well.
This is from the WMA site: One would think a record set at a Masters USATF championship would count. http://www.world-masters-athletics.org/laws-a-rules/rules-of-competition
In addition marks set at the following meets directly sanctioned by the IAAF, namely the Olympic Games, the IAAF World Championships, Grand Prix meets, the Commonwealth Games and equivalent regional meets, will be accepted when the WMA Records Manager has been notified and the athlete’s age has been confirmed.
260.4.3 Registration and Publication
260.4.3.1 The Area Statistician shall inform the WMA Record Manager of the approval or the reasons of rejection, within thirty (30) days after receipt of the record application form or the separate list.
260.8 World masters records or, where appropriate, world masters ‘best performances’ shall be recognised for each of the five-year age-groups listed in the Rules of Competition and also for each five-year age-group older than those listed and denominated accordingly, which shall be recognised in five year age groups, with no upper limit.
260.13 The Record Manager shall state whether a record has been set. He then registers the performance. Together with the chairman of the Records Committee he shall ratify the record, forward the change to WMA’s website for publication, and also advise Regional Statisticians, and at the same time he shall update the official world record list.
260.18 Performances achieved in mixed (i.e. male & female) competition will be acceptable for recognition as World Records.
Seems reasonable, Matt. As a general point, it often seems easier to get a world mark than it does an American. Would be nice to interview people who were denied records set at our American masters championships. Personally, I’m not going there.
Matt (@ no. 15) Just to clarify — I am not talking about marks set at nationals about which there was some controversy, such as the 60 dashes at Albuquerque in 2011. No, I am talking about American marks set at 2010 Boston, 2011 Albuquerque, or 2012 Bloomington about which there was no controversy whatsover. Mark broken or established, no recognition.
I would like to respond since I think only a few people will be still reading this post.
Pete, as you know, my mile wr for M50 is 4:27.9 but my American record is 4:25.04 I wasn’t concerned about it until two weeks ago when Mike Blackmore ran 4:26 in Portland which is a world record but not the American record. He opted not to file out of respect but if someone else from,say Italy runs a 4:27.70, He gets the world record, I still keep the American record and Mike gets NOTHING.
The kicker is that I ran that 4:25 at the U.S. OLYMPIC TRAILS!!!!!!
Yes, Nolan, I consider the Olympic Trials to be the kind of meet we should respect, and I am sure that that respect is codified in the rules (see Matt B.’s post above).
Going further, I think we need to respect our record setters.
Nolan,
Congratulations on yet another amazing feat. You show us the way. As a masters athlete I am in awe of your dedication, your discipline, your love for our sport, and last but certainly not least, your incredible accomplishments.
Keep on keepin’ on!
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