M65 indoor high jump AR likely typo, but USATF has worse glitch

Did Frederick Monesmith jump 1.65 meters (5-5) on Jan. 16? Probably not, since 1.65 would beat the listed American record of 1.62 by the legendary Jim Gilchrist. (And Fred has another listed jump of 1.22 (4-0), also on mastersrankings.com. No biggie. But of greater concern are USATF masters records showing 0000-??-00 for dates of most performances. The database has gone daft. (See the list.) Hope this is fixed soon.

Here's what most USATF masters records show today. Oy vey!

Here’s what most USATF masters records show today. Oy vey!

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January 20, 2016

10 Responses

  1. Renee Shepherd - January 21, 2016

    Also noticed that the W50-54 AR in the 60m is by some chick named Renee Henderson but the WR in the 60m of the same time is by Renee “Shepard.” I believe it was Renee SHEPHERD who ran that 60m.

    R.SHEPHERD

  2. Peter L. Taylor - January 21, 2016

    Yes, that “Shepard” really stands out on the WMA list. I think “Shepherd” would look a lot better, especially because that’s the actual spelling. I hope that Shepherd will reappear as a dominant sprinter; she’s one of my all-time favorites in masters track. In fact, I used to call her “The Jet.”

    Speaking of the WMA lists, and I will e-mail Ken Stone about this separately, the sensational 4:12.33 indoor mile mark for M45 achieved last February by John Trautmann was ratified as an American record (per the USATF list), but it was apparently rejected as a world mark. The world record, per the WMA, is 4:16.83. Too bad for John.

    I noticed this because I’m preparing for the Hartshorne Memorial Masters Mile on Saturday up in Ithaca, NY. The M45 record is too good, but maybe one of the competitors will be able to knock down another record.

  3. tb - January 21, 2016

    Awful news, Ken. And where is Fairvax, VA? *shakes head*

  4. JES - January 21, 2016

    I ran in that meet, the USATFNJ Indoor Championship, held on Jan. 10, not Jan. 16. Fred’s a fellow member of Shore AC and a heck of an athlete, but I have no idea what he jumped that day, being busy with my own races. Why not ask him? He’ll gladly tell you how he did.

    I will note that the timing company at the meet made some errors, most notably assigning ages based on what age you turn during this calendar year, the way a lot of junior (15 and under) meets are run. As a result, a lot of athletes whose actual ages ended in a 4 or 9 were “aged up” into age groups they did not belong in. So an athlete who is currently 49 and would not turn 50 until, say, Nov. 2016 found himself assigned to the 50-54 group, which is not fair to those who actually are that old. Again, the timer’s fault, not the athlete’s or the USATFNJ’s. As far as I can tell, the race times were accurately recorded, though. Jump and throw distances, I have no idea, but a basic fumble like this by the timing company merits further investigation, which USATFNJ staff have promised.

  5. Milan jamrich - January 21, 2016

    Fred’s best last year was 133 cm so it is unlikely that he jumped a foot higher this year. Sometimes problems arise when competition is run in “foot and inches” and than calculated into cm. It would be for the best to run all HJ competitions in “meters and centimeters”.

  6. Peter Z - January 21, 2016

    I agree with Milan. Another possibility, would be the high jump result data sheet being entered into the Hytek program in error for Fred. Fred should contact both the meet director and John Seto’s World Ranking Site to correct this “potential” error.

  7. Ken Stone - January 21, 2016

    Dates are fixed.

  8. Keith Mathis - January 21, 2016

    Were the US rankings discontinued and now we only have world? Could not find the current US rankings on the site….

  9. Milan Jamrich - January 21, 2016

    Keith, go to the world ranking and select United States as a country

  10. Frederick Monesmith - January 24, 2016

    At the USATFNJ Indoor meet on January 10th, I high jumped 1.25 meters instead of 1.65 meters as reported and tied for first with my dear friend, Dr. Ivan Black. I like competing in many different events, but the high jump is one of my favorites. What I like the best about the high jump is how encouraging the other jumpers, coaches and official are. My HJ coach, Mike Pascuzzo, Vertical Adventures, is very good, but not a miracle worker. As suggested, I contacted USATFNJ to correct this typo. John Seto had already taken down the incorrect results.

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